{"id":1931,"date":"2014-10-22T21:14:00","date_gmt":"2014-10-22T21:14:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.willclower.com\/blog\/2014\/10\/what-happened-to-the-8x8-dietary-dogma-on-water.html"},"modified":"2016-09-19T11:20:33","modified_gmt":"2016-09-19T15:20:33","slug":"what-happened-to-the-8x8-dietary-dogma-on-water","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.mymedwellness.com\/blog\/?p=1931","title":{"rendered":"What Happened To The 8&#215;8 Dietary Dogma On Water?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Several years ago, I sat in the office of the woman who ran the weight management program for UPMC, the largest hospital\/insurer in the Pittsburgh region. She sat down with me to talk about this new Mediterranean diet idea, and my perspective on it.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><a data-show-count=\"false\" data-size=\"large\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/willclower\">Follow @willclower<\/a><\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mlcmmqmgggev.i.optimole.com\/w:auto\/h:auto\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.willclower.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/WaterInGlass.jpg?ssl=1\" style=\"clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img data-opt-id=1930250133  fetchpriority=\"high\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/mlcmmqmgggev.i.optimole.com\/w:auto\/h:auto\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.willclower.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/WaterInGlass.jpg?resize=291%2C320&#038;ssl=1\" height=\"320\" width=\"291\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">She loved the emphasis on veggies, became a little iffy on their total embargo on low fat food products, and even queasier around the idea of wine every day with meals. So then she asked me THE question: how much water do you recommend people drink in a day.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">She posed it like a rhetorical no-brainer question. Of course, everyone knows that you have to drink <u>at least<\/u> 8, 8-ounce glasses per day. It was a total gimmie putt. Drinking this amount of water was enshrined on our food pyramid itself, along with all mainstream health authorities, which means that it has been reviewed by our very best nutritional minds. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">I said that this recommendation doesn\u2019t exist anywhere but here, because no healthy culture does that \u2013 only us, the people with the health problems. And the Mediterranean diet is no exception, with no requirement to drink a minimum of that amount of fluid every single day. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">At that point, she dismissed me and the entire Mediterranean diet with some sideways comment about her having to follow \u201cevidence based medicine\u201d &#8212; like her and the rest of the nation, I presume. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">That was about 6 years ago. But today, you just don&#8217;t see any official advice to drink at least 8 swimming pools of water per day. The reason why this evidence-based pillar of dietary dogma has been silently removed is because there was never any science evidence to base it on in the first place. (<a href=\"https:\/\/geiselmed.dartmouth.edu\/news\/2002_h2\/pdf\/8x8.pdf\">read this wonderful review dissecting it all<\/a>)<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Once it was revealed that the science was baseless, and the advice on this from our health authorities held exactly zero weight after all, it poofed out of sight. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">That said, there is a kernel of truth. Let\u2019s say you live in the Sahara, and eat nothing but powder (or work outside in Arizona, say). Under those conditions you can lose up to 8, 8-ounce glasses of water per day. But if you live in normal conditions, and eat normal foods that have water in them, you\u2019re just not in need of that much water every day. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">The frustrating part of this is the pretentious nature of our health advice, hiding behind the veneer of authenticity called \u201cevidence based medicine.\u201d And yet no organization who supported the 8&#215;8 advice has come forward to say that they were totally wrong in misleading people into believing that this was reasonable (or evidence based). They just moved on to the next recommendation like some form of drive-by nutrition advice.&nbsp; <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">For you and me, we need reliable, common sense health advice. Do you need water? Of course you do. Do you need to stay hydrated? Yes! But do you need some external rule that is supposed to apply to everyone on earth (start with a whopping 8, 8-ounce glasses of water every single day, and then go from there)? Of course not. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">You need to stay hydrated, but the amount of water you need to drink varies by geography, altitude, work conditions, sun\/wind conditions, if you\u2019re breast feeding, etc. Given that riot of variability, no one-size-fits-all answer could ever possibly make any sense. So a good rule of thumb is to simply check the color of your urine, and drink water until your pee runs clear. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Can we put an icon of that on a food pyramid?<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">For more information: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.willclower.com\/\"> Click here to visit Will Clower&#8217;s website. <\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Several years ago, I sat in the office of the woman who ran the weight management program for UPMC, the largest hospital\/insurer in the Pittsburgh region. 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